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I don't want a Smart phone

I am sure I am not the only person who is fed up with being made to feel like a second ( or lower ) class citizen because I don't have or want a smart phone or similar device?


I get texts from companies and institutions such as the NHS telling me to click on the attached link but as I don't have a smart phone I cannot do it. The phone numbers are frequently hidden so you cannot reply. As these companies do not want to answer time consuming telephone calls their phone numbers are frequently not displayed on their websites or letter headings. If you get through on the phone you are kept waiting for a long time to speak to someone.


We are being encouraged to change to electric cars. The only public charging points I have seen you cannot use if you do not have a smart phone. I admit part of me is being obstinate. When I see the excessive profits made by Apple, Amazon, Google, Facebook etc I think 'They are not having my hard-earned pension' I'd better not mention my views on the BBC. I


think they would be in favour of euthanasia for all people over 70.


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Felix1
10th Aug 2023 19:46:14
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I dont want one either. I am sick of seeing people talking on their mobiles as they walk around. More than once I have heard someone speak behind me and answered them. Their smug expression when you turn around is most infuriating. Are they afraid to be alone?
Response from oberon made on 11th Jun 2024 13:29:45
Im afraid people are nowadays afraid to be alone. Maybe they dont have the capacity to amuse themselves or they feel uncomfortable with silence. How did we all manage before these gadgets like TV and computers came out? We listened to the radio or we read books or talked! People now seem to have lost the art of conversation.
PuzzlerJan
23 hours ago
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I whole heartedly agree! Its okay for the younger generation who grew up with all this technology but to someone of my age, its all a total mystery! When I started work we didn't even have electric typewriters! I will carry on being a luddite as long as I can!
Steffiegal
27th Oct 2024 23:45:34
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Andrew1948 - I totally agree with you. Why everybody tells you to go online. I tell them I don't have one. it's a form of laziness...

Steffie
Lionel
1st Jun 2024 23:13:36 (Last activity: 5th Oct 2024 19:28:18)
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Well White Crow, I'm with you. I have a phone but couldn't lay my hands on it right now. I don't even know what it looks like.

A little while ago I needed to make a return road trip from Suffolk to Bude in Cornwall in one day. My dear wife made life a misery just insisting I took my mobile with me. She forgot I did more than half a million miles as a truck driver and that without a phone. Mind you, they really were in their infancy then.

Unlike my beloved, I do not wish to be in contact 24/7; we chose to live in a very rural area without much contact with the outside world and that suits me fine. I do not wish to have people calling to sell double glazing, pension plans, male member enlargements or anything else. Yes, I've had a call offering the latter. That's why my phone is permanently off and out of sight.

Probably, before we're much older, a phone will be a necessity but for the moment I'm happy being a Luddite!
Response from CaroleAH made on 2nd Jun 2024 12:34:41
Hi Lionel,
Haven't seen you on the site for ages! Last Thursday a BT engineer came to install my new Halo3 router which improves my broadband speeds - they were ok before but my contract was up for renewal so I thought that I would go forward with the modern technology. Ha Ha!!!! My landline now doesn't work and following a polite but irate phone conversation on my mobile with BT I was told that they hoped that my landline would be operational by Tuesday. If anyone rings me they can hear the normal ringing tone and think I'm ignoring them as I don't hear anything and my caller display and answerphone don't work either. If I try to make a call, the line goes dead. Needless to say, I'm not a happy bunny and would have thought that BT could provide a better service especially to an OAP!
I started to carry my mobile phone round with me following a fall in my driveway where no-one could see me and I couldn't get up. Fortunately, an Amazon delivery driver came down the drive with a parcel and helped me to get up. When we looked at the address on the parcel it wasn't for me so he really was my guardian angel that morning!
Hopefully BT will sort out my problem but it would appear that Halo3 and Digital Voice are not as good as they should be because quite a few friends have told me that they have had similar problems.
Response from WhiteCrow made on 2nd Jun 2024 20:57:04
Unfortunately or fortunately in some peoples (business moguls) eyes, we are on the fast-track to transhumanism Lionel.
Scientists around the world and people like Elon Musk are speedily making science fiction the norm with tech implantations into humans.
Won’t be long before we become cyborgs and have everything implanted. Pacemakers and other bits of implanted or wearable tech is already widespread, we are well on the way.
The World Economic Forum is pushing for an upgrade to humans in transhumanism and is cracking the whip to get their people to speed up the process.

What could go wrong?
I do hope that there will be some good things coming from these implantations, for one, do away with the endless entanglement of wires everywhere. Electronic telepathy is on the cards, soon.

For the time being, I am comfortable being a Troglodyte, but if King Canute had to accede to the might of ocean, who am I to withstand the tide of technology?
Are we not already cybernauts?
Response from Lionel made on 2nd Jun 2024 22:13:49
Well, thank you for the reply White Crow; a fellow troglodyte indeed.

All you say above is indeed true, but there is one inherent weakness. An electro-magnetic pulse from an air burst nuclear weapon. Such is the force of that pulse it would fry every circuit board in this land. Almost everything would cease to function. Perhaps another weakness exists. Putin claims to have a nuclear device so powerful it would set off a tsunami in the Atlantic and swamp the UK. May I suggest beings controlled by in-built micro circuitry would lose their inherent instinct for survival?

In either instance some Trogs would survive by using Victorian faming methods, things with which I'm practised and still interested. I could almost relish raising animals and crops fully nutritious rather than the expensive rubbish produced these days.

I simply do not like techno and the lifestyle it forces on people; the compulsive attachment so many have to their devices, as if life doesn't exist without them.

I believe with very good reason another World War is looming. It may be closer than even I believe at present. All the neuro devices of which you speak can be manipulated - people changed to suit the whim of the state. !984 on steroids? I think so.
Response from WhiteCrow made on 3rd Jun 2024 08:38:56 > @Lionel
Frustrated now, I wrote a long reply to you and it has just disppeared, twice this has happened now.
My point was that we have more to worry about with the sun spewing out CME's or Coronal Mass Ejections. We have had some serious ejections of late and expecting some big ones within the next few days.
Texas, Africa and many other sun facing countries have been suffering blackouts for days.
As you say, be prepared to survive. Smart everthing will no doubt be affected.
Not sure how serious these CME's will be, but better to be prepared.
Governments are advising people to stock up for at least 3 days, sound advice.
Staying in my cave and hiding.

From NOAA, National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration.
ALERT: X-Ray Flux exceeded M5
Threshold Reached: 2024 Jun 01 1924 UTC
NOAA Scale: R2 - Moderate

NOAA Space Weather Scale descriptions can be found at
www.swpc.noaa.gov/noaa-scales-explanation

Potential Impacts: Area of impact centered on sub-solar point on the sunlit side of Earth. Extent of blackout of HF (high frequency) radio communication dependent upon current X-ray Flux intensity. For real-time information on affected area and expected duration please see http://www.swpc.noaa.gov/products/d-region-absorption-predictions-d-rap.
Response from Lionel made on 8th Jun 2024 14:32:49 > @CaroleAH
Hello Carole, nice to hear from you too. My wife's MS took a very bad turn downwards about eighteen months ago and, in the absence of any family or NHS help I just did the job, but it's has been an all consuming experience, that's why I quit SS, just no time or head space.

Carole, I'm sorry to hear of your accident. No permanent damage I hope. I believe we find guardian angels in all sorts of circumstances but just don't recognise them. Our little five year old Collie bitch qualifies as such. She has always been close to my wife but eighteen months ago the dog began a very long vigil. She refuses to leave my wife's side; when she had a fall a few months ago the dog found me and raised the alarm. She walked ahead of me to where my wife lay. I could go on but it will just get tedious.

Like you we've had trouble with BT. They've re-wired the village and surrounding districts. Now, like you, my internet is on and off; completely unreliable. There's a lot to be said for local companies but what leverage have we with a behemoth like BT?
Response from CaroleAH made on 8th Jun 2024 20:57:13 > @Lionel
Hi Lionel,
So sorry to hear about your wife's MS. Please give her my best wishes. I worked for the NHS for nearly 40 years and just despair of the direction it is has taken. Whether things will improve after the general election is anyone's guess. I was bruised black and blue after my fall but fortunately there was no lasting damage and my phone travels with me in my pocket or handbag all the time. It's always on Silent if I'm in a meeting or in church as it really annoys me when I hear other mobile phones playing tunes etc and then their owners looking at the messages and replying when they ought to be concentrating on the meeting.
Have a pleasant weekend and hopefully we can chat again soon.
Carole
Response from Lionel made on 8th Jun 2024 23:12:30 > @CaroleAH
Yes, this has been a tough time but my wife is in a better place than she was eighteen months ago. I can't say she will ever fully recover but we're fighting back against this horrible disease.

In saying there was no NHS help I intended no slur on what was one a world class health institution. It's mainly that we're 73 now and out of the productive loop, so to speak and doctors merely offered painkillers. Because we live in a fairly remote spot care workers won't come out here-their fuel and time travelling is not paid to them, so I do understand.

Having read of your experience I think I'll revise my thinking and carry my phone. The legs aren't so good now having hauled my wife around so it will be a precaution. Thanks for the tip.

We have discussed church matters in the past and respect each other's views. That we differ is of no importance. We worship the same God and bow the knee to the same Saviour. In that vein I offer you the greatest Jewish greeting, Shalom, meaning the deep peace of God be with you. Yes indeed, may that be so.
Response from CaroleAH made on 8th Jun 2024 23:34:49
Thank you, Lionel. At the moment I am reading "Three Minutes of Hope" by Hugo Gryn. I used to listen to him on the radio and he was such an inspirational speaker. His book is based on the talks he gave on the radio's 'God Slot' so I am re-visiting the programmes he made.
I'm glad that your wife is in a better place than she was 18 months ago. It must be difficult living in a remote area where care workers won't visit. I had no idea that their fuel costs and travel time were not met.
So pleased to hear that you carry your phone with you now - fortunately I have not needed mine for emergency use but it's nice to know that it is handy and always fully charged.
Take care!
Carole
Response from Lionel made on 9th Jun 2024 00:13:08 > @CaroleAH
Hugo Gryn, yes, a fine Rabbi with an open mind just like his Pause for Thought counterpart Lionel Blue. I have loved both of them for their spirituality. I have Lionel Blue's books in the bookcase next to me and have read some Hugo Gryn. He suffered in the war-time camps so his faith was hard won, tried and tested in the furnace of affliction. In the end we are all tried and tested, aren't we?

Once I wrote to Lionel Blue. His reply was signed and a hand written note underneath. A man of a tender heart, compassionate and understanding, straightway he entered into my dilemma being born into the founding Abrahamic religion yet brought up in a daughter faith with some Judaism thrown in. At that time he was as mixed up as I was, but he would admit it. His letter helped me find a pathway through it all.

Please, re-read Hugo Gryn and give Lionel Blue a thought. Blue might seem flippant and light hearted but read each account again and there are profound insights there for all of us. More spiritual, less PC ways to engage with one another.

It's lovely to be in contact again Carole, recent times have been so isolating. Take good care now.


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Response from BigMike made on 1st Sep 2024 15:14:54 > @WhiteCrow
Elon Musk can't even build a car that doesn't catch on fire.
Response from ANNA17 made on 19th Sep 2024 00:55:01 > @Lionel
The only saving grace IMO, are Librarys .Hopefully they will be treated with reverance. The world seed banks I fear will only be available to a select few. There are many "Golden Age" science fiction novels that predict what humanity will suffer through. On the brighter side though, the air and water will eventually clean itself and make healthier food crops.
Response from ANNA17 made on 5th Oct 2024 19:12:22 > @Lionel
The most important building to humanity will be "libraries" whenthe dark days come. But then, I suppose they will be limited to who can use them. glad I won't be around, but of course dark times can happen in a split second.
Response from ANNA17 made on 5th Oct 2024 19:28:18 > @Lionel
I too think
EMP's are the biggest dangers for humanity.
ANNA17
5th Oct 2024 19:26:51
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Made my day!! I'm still gigling.
ANNA17
5th Oct 2024 19:20:03
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Could you please share what flip phone you use ? I have a cheapie and it's a mess for me to use. Only holds a charge for maybe a few hours. I thought maybe a JITTERBUG but want to see if anyone has one they really like before I decide. Thanks for any info you care to share.
ANNA17
5th Oct 2024 19:06:45
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The biggie now is what to do with the old lithium batteries. I guess they'll end up being stored with nuke waste. what a world we now live in and seems to get bigger problems every day. Products are made with no thought of how to dispose of them when no longer working.
BigMike
1st Sep 2024 15:10:12
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Same here. I hate those smart phones. My Flip phone does everything I need to do.
Biglouis
11th Jun 2024 01:54:36 (Last activity: 11th Jun 2024 14:06:56)
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I agree about smart phones but I had to bite the bullet and get one. My home security system will not run on a tablet. Im gradually getting used to the smartypants but I only use it for the most basic things.

I have this really OLD dumb phone that is tied into all the main sites I use. Its not enabled for text and Im finding it increasingly difficult because all these texts (eg from the bank etc) are wanting you to reply. Or text y or n. Well you cant do that on my old dumb phone. So I am going to have to migrate all these accounts to the smarty phone.

Who would want to shop on that tiny tiny screen when they have a proper computer?
Response from CaroleAH made on 11th Jun 2024 13:05:20
I agree about shopping on line - hopeless on a tiny screen! I'm with BT for my wi-fi and phone and was recently converted to their Halo 3 Digital Voice programme. Wi-fi is great but if there is a power cut the phone does not work so I've got to have a fully-charged mobile phone to hand just in case I need the emergency services or family. Definitely a retrograde step for BT but I have to admit that I love my smartphone and keep in touch with family and friends via Whatsapp.
Response from oberon made on 11th Jun 2024 13:22:59 > @CaroleAH
Am with you 100% on this. They are useful to a point but I dont want to be available 24/7. When you have mobility issues you dont want to be jumping up to answer th door unless its important to YOU. The most useful part of y smart phone is that it connects to my doorbell camera and cctv. So I can see who is calling, I have a pretty explicit no callers without appointment/salespeople/religious etc but sometimes they still knock. I dont usually answer unless Im expecting someone or a parcel. There are too many doorstep sellers, scammers and people wanting to chat about religion, politics and so on. Im not interested in these random people. The smart phone allows me to filter them without having to be rude and offensive to them. Sometimes I answer and then regret it. I just tell them Im away from home and answering via the app. They dont know Im sitting a few yards away staring at their image. Yes smart phones are ok so long as they are smart enough to do their job and no more.
Response from oberon made on 11th Jun 2024 13:35:26 > @CaroleAH
I had a lot of problems when my land line turned to digital voice. BT sent me a new router and my nephew (who is a techie) set it up. Well the existing phones which had functioned perfectly well before would not work with it. We got the engineer from BT who did a temporary fix which lasted a few hours. In the end I had to buy a new land line phone of the latest type which is gauranteed to work with the new smart hub. In order to make it work nephew had to do all kinds of work editing the router which would have been beyond me. It has all the same features as the old phones but of course I had to learn my way artound it. Plus I had to take out a contract on my PAYG smart phone. All this has made me very annoyed. Not everyone has a techy relative to set things up for them.
Response from CaroleAH made on 11th Jun 2024 14:06:56 > @oberon
I absolutely agree, Oberon. Initially my landline would not work and BT said it would be fixed within 5 days! Six days later - nothing, so I sent them a text message and they rang me. The lady told me that I had to unplug my phone and take it to the router, plug it into that and then do this, that and the other at which point I interrupted her and said that I wanted a BT engineer to come and sort it out because I am an OAP and I didn't understand a word she was saying - not quite true but she got the message and a very nice older engineer came out and had it all sorted within 30 minutes. The original young engineer had forgotten to do something when he first changed my router etc.
KeithK2
3rd Apr 2024 03:00:40 (Last activity: 22nd May 2024 11:52:46)
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Yeah, Andrew, that is a common by-line in thought and conversation to folks over 65. I'm 70 and it is assumed that I can not possibly have any clue or indeed, capacity to either own or navigate the rather ubiquitous vagaries of any kind of cell phone --- much less smartphone. There are times I don't even bring my phone with me. it's either left at home on purpose, or I've forgotten it completely. I'm not going to say that not having a smartphone isn't at times a handicap in todays internet-dependent society. But, it isn't by any means a critical necessity. Conducting business the way we used to before technology/AI became our constant bedfellows, is still allowed. You can carry cash, send mail through the Post office, and still use your trusty land-line anytime you bloody well please. Stand your ground, my friend.
Response from Martyonline made on 22nd May 2024 11:52:46
I'm liking the use of ubiquitous, there are occasions you don't need to in in communication with the whole world and enjoy the birds singing or the Doobies and Eagles
Martyonline
22nd May 2024 11:50:47
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I'm liking the use of ubiquitous
Martyonline
22nd May 2024 11:49:03
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I bought a "clam shell" phone you know like Captain Kirk's communicator as my back up phone from IQ mobile, it's very basic, I've got a fully loaded one for business and everyday, but I do find these days I don't need to in in full communication with the world 24/7/365. I've got so many apps, most of which I have never use for and have no idea what they do

I do like the laser beam and spirit level apps though, I'm the world's worst inspector gadget
WhiteCrow
1st May 2024 11:06:09
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I suppose it's like King Canute trying to stop the sea from reaching his throne. Trying to stop the incoming tide of smart everything is as impossible.

Much as I resent being forced to accept technology, it is unfortunately an evolutionary step which we will all have to adapt to or be consigned to a nomansland where we are unable to access the simplest of things like banking.
My landline phone will be switched off soon and I will be forced to buy a new phone, take a package of some sort and join the rest of the google-eyed race.
cris1117
9th Feb 2024 13:20:08
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My wife thought pretty much the same thing about driving I asked her what she would do if I dropped dead tomorrow, how would she get anywhere, she took her test passed first time.
Its more the ability to be able to use one that's important if you suddenly found yourself alone.
Many things are online now banks, shopping and paying bills and will soon be completely online. Yes you could use a laptop, smart phones are just a small laptop anyway but far more versatile.
I personally no longer have a landline phone just my smartphone, one less bill to pay.
Felix1
7th Feb 2024 15:54:06
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I hardly ever go anywhere without my husband. So why would I need one.
James77
4th Oct 2023 03:20:37 (Last activity: 6th Oct 2023 10:24:23)
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I must admit I really dislike smart phones. While I admit they are useful the way most people are glued to them all the time I find quite troubling.
Response from Gal70 made on 6th Oct 2023 10:24:23
Hi James ive got an iPhone myself and they are very useful I do agree most of the young people are addicted to them but I have to admit I miss my iPhone if it’s not with me ‍♀️
ClydeBiz
1st Oct 2023 15:40:55
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Here in the US, you don't always have the option to get a line phone. I have a Computer VoIP phone, along with the old fashioned handset
mt56
5th Sep 2023 12:56:32
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Hi,
I bought a small smartphone Alcatel, 5 inch screen, doesnt do much apart from the basics, works fine for the basics and internet.
cris1117
2nd Aug 2023 10:01:36
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I wouldn't call it being muscled out simply choosing to be left behind as life moves forward.
Scruffles
1st Aug 2023 15:56:54
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Couldn't agree more! I'm perfectly happy with my dumbphone and resent being muscled out in this way.
Marag
5th May 2023 03:30:16
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Hello Andrew ,
I completely agree with you I refuse to have a smart phone . People look so very silly carrying around their little rectangles . Couples sit beside each other , each on their own rectangle , tourists stay behind it recording rather than actually experiencing what they have come to see . People walk along ,device gripped tightly but the saddest of all are the mothers , focusing on that little box rather than making eye contact with their baby or in the case with the older children , not watching them at play but sitting on a bench absorbed by the phone .
I don't think you are obstinate , I think you are a clear , independent thinker .
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