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ColinM1
30th Jul 2018 15:32:40 (Last activity: 30th Jul 2018 23:11:36)
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Carole AH Trust this appeases your thirst for Scottish and indeed English history . Many of the facts contained therein have been “ BBCd” from official sources but I have included these and others in my monthly Blog .


1.Two Unions

There were in fact two Unions , the Union of the Crowns in 1603 and the Union of the Parliaments in 1707. The former occurred when Elizabeth 1 died childless and was succeeded by James Vl of Scotland (a second cousin ) who became James 1 of the United Kingdoms of Scotland and England . Both countries continued to have their own Parliaments and separate legal systems .

2. The Darien Scheme


In 1632 Scotland lost Nova Scotia – her only colony – as a result of the English war against France. England’s Dutch wars subsequently compromised valuable trading privileges upon which Scottish merchants had previously relied. Scottish overseas trading activity was further hampered by the Navigation Act, which cut Scottish ships out of international trade by forbidding the import of goods into England or her colonies unless carried in English ships or ships from the goods’ country of origin.
Beginning in 1651, the goal of the Act was to force colonial development into lines favourable to England, and stop direct colonial trade with the Netherlands, France, Scotland and Spain. This law was enacted despite the Union of Crowns, and effectively meant that Scots merchants were boycotted for trade in England and all her colonies. To make matters worse two powerful English trading companies – the East India Company and the Royal African Company – claimed monopolies on the rich trades with the East Indies and Africa and jealously guarded these territories.
This situation gave rise to the reasoning behind the Darien Scheme – access to trade. The architect of Darien was a man called William Paterson, who would the following year be instrumental in the foundation of the Bank of England. He devised a plan aimed at bringing financial prosperity to Scotland, proposing in 1693 that the Scottish Parliament should grant a Scottish monopoly on overseas trade to a trading company, enabling it to harness the lucrative and relatively available Far Eastern market in the same manner as the English had achieved with Africa and the Indies. Key to the plan was the establishment of a Scottish colony in Central America, at a place called Darien (now part of Panama), so that goods could be transferred from the Pacific to the Atlantic without having to make the long and perilous journey around Cape Horn or the Cape of Good Hope. Instead, goods would be transported to the colony at Darien, on the Atlantic side of the Isthmus of Panama, and carried across to a port on the Pacific side, where ships with exchange cargoes from the East Indies and Asia would be waiting.In 1695 the Bank Of Scotland was established and the Company Of Scotland was born, with its capital intended to be £600,000 raised by public subscription, of which half was to come from within Scotland and the rest from elsewhere. Investors in England, Amsterdam and Hamburg quickly raised their share, but the East India Company – fearing that their monopoly would be broken – used their influence on the king and English Parliament to persuade them to act against the venture.
The English government of King William III – anxious to be on good terms with Spain – didn’t need much persuading, as the proposed Scottish colony would be located on land the Spain had its own designs on. England was at war with France and hence didn’t want to offend the Spanish, who claimed the territory as part of New Granada. The East India Company threatened legal action on the grounds that the Scots had no authority from the king to raise funds outside the English realm, and obliged the promoters to refund subscriptions to the Hamburg investors, with English investors also quickly withdrawing their money.
This left no source of finance but Scotland itself, yet so fierce was the resentment at the duplicity of the king and English Parliament that Scots resolved to raise all the capital alone. Thousands of Scots put their own money into the enterprise alongside money from the nobles, and the Company raised just under £400,000 in a few weeks, with investments from every level of society and totalling roughly a fifth of the wealth of Scotland. This was an enormous sum for the time, amounting to about half the country’s available capital, despite it being a fully private venture.The first fleet (Saint Andrew, Caledonia, Unicorn, Dolphin, and Endeavour) set sail from the east coast port of Leith so as to avoid observation by English warships, which they feared would capture or sink the traders. The plan was to make the journey around the north coast of Scotland, with the settlers below deck to hide the intent of the voyage. At a time when the total Scottish population amounted to only about one million, the amount of manpower committed to the venture was every bit as staggering as the financial commitment.
The settlers christened their new home “New Caledonia”.
There they built Fort St Andrew and began to erect the huts of what they hoped would become their permanent town, New Edinburgh. They cleared land for farming, but successful agriculture proved difficult. The local indigenous people proved unwilling to buy the combs and other trinkets offered by the colonists, and no fleets of merchant ships arrived to use the trade route.
The lack of trade was not an accident, as the English colonies in the West Indies and North America had been forbidden to communicate with the Darien colonists or offer them any help or assistance, by order of William and his government in London. By the onset of summer the following year, the climate, disease and hunger had led to a large number of deaths in the colony. The settlement had intended that many of the settlers would be dispersed across the continent ferrying goods from coast to coast, not all holed up in one place. The confined living conditions combined with poor hygiene and little food led to an epidemic of dysentery. Eventually the mortality rate rose to ten settlers a day.
After eight months the colony was abandoned and the settlers began the journey back to Scotland. One ship, desperate for aid, arrived at the Jamaican city of Port Royal but was refused assistance in response to the king’s standing orders not to help the settlers. Dejected and betrayed by their own monarch, the settlers continued onwards with only 300 of the original 1,200 settlers returning on a single ship to Scotland. It was a disastrous gamble which failed and nearly bankrupted the Country . England was a bout to embark on tjhThe settlers christened their new home “New Caledonia”.
There they built Fort St Andrew and began to erect the huts of what they hoped would become their permanent town, New Edinburgh. They cleared land for farming, but successful agriculture proved difficult. The local indigenous people proved unwilling to buy the combs and other trinkets offered by the colonists, and no fleets of merchant ships arrived to use the trade route.
The lack of trade was not an accident, as the English colonies in the West Indies and North America had been forbidden to communicate with the Darien colonists or offer them any help or assistance, by order of William and his government in London. By the onset of summer the following year, the climate, disease and hunger had led to a large number of deaths in the colony. The settlement had intended that many of the settlers would be dispersed across the continent ferrying goods from coast to coast, not all holed up in one place. The confined living conditions combined with poor hygiene and little food led to an epidemic of dysentery. Eventually the mortality rate rose to ten settlers a day.
After eight months the colony was abandoned and the settlers began the journey back to Scotland. One ship, desperate for aid, arrived at the Jamaican city of Port Royal but was refused assistance in response to the king’s standing orders not to help the settlers. Dejected and betrayed by their own monarch, the settlers continued onwards with only 300 of the original 1,200 settlers returning on a single ship to Scotland . Darien nearly bankrupted Scotland and weakened her hand internationally and with England . They (England ) were about to embark on the War of the Spanish Succession and required Scotland as an ally . A union of Parliaments and an amalgamation between the two was important .
Response from CaroleAH made on 30th Jul 2018 16:51:05
Thanks for the info, Colin, but it was Yodama who wanted to know about the Union - not me!
Response from ColinM1 made on 30th Jul 2018 17:05:06
Carole AH :Methinks you said I was reticent ! In my reticence I send you what I had sent . As a Yorkshire lass why not read and digest ?Keep both ears open my dear !
Response from ColinM1 made on 30th Jul 2018 19:21:10
"Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz".......yawn....."

Just read May's latest panocea !!!!!!
Response from CaroleAH made on 30th Jul 2018 23:11:36
Good grief, Colin! My eyes and ears are open but I do find you somewhat patronising!
ColinM1
30th Jul 2018 12:49:35 (Last activity: 30th Jul 2018 17:47:36)
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""and Whiskey Galore " Whiskey Lochinvar ?? That is Irish - perhaps blown your cover!!
Response from ColinM1 made on 30th Jul 2018 17:47:36
"You’re Autocorrect must have an Irish computer." A "Scotsman "who makes that error - go on tell me more !!
ColinM1
28th Jul 2018 09:56:49 (Last activity: 30th Jul 2018 15:05:10)
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More information concerning Brexit cock up -

Half the food we consume is imported; 80 per cent of that imported food comes from Europe and 90 per cent of that comes through the Dover corridor. Daaaah !
Response from CaroleAH made on 30th Jul 2018 10:55:55
Looks as though you are going to have to get the history books out, Yodama, as Colin seems very reticent in answering your question. Lochinvar, I can't cope - are you always so witty on a Monday morning? So early too - perhaps I need another coffee 🙂
Response from ColinM1 made on 30th Jul 2018 15:05:10
Carole AH seeing that you as well are interested in the History of the Union , here is part of what has been sent to Yodama : 3. Aliens Act 1705
The English Parliament passed the Aliens Act of 1775 primarily to weaken Scotland’s hand . Amongst other things it forbade Scottish aristocracy to hold land in England as well as Scotland . Most of them did historically and this persuaded them to agree to an Act of Union The Alien Act provided that Scottish nationals in England were to be treated as aliens (foreign nationals), and estates held by Scots would be treated as alien property, making inheritance much less certain. It also included an embargo on the import of Scottish products into England and English colonies – about half of Scotland's trade, covering goods such as linen, cattle and coal


4.The Act of Union - 1707
The Scottish Parliament was made up of what was termed the Three Estates Members of the Parliament of Scotland were traditionally elected from three "estates" or classes: the clergy (bishops), the nobility and lairds, and the burgesses (representatives of the royal burghs).It was the”nobility and lairds”who forced the poassage of the Bill through the Parliament as noted below .
It was widely believed at the time that a handful of landed and affluent Scots took Scotland into a Union of Parliaments with England purely for their own advantage .Even though it has since proved to have been a mainly benign and often beneficial political twinning for Scotland as well as England , the Union remains a painful subject in many quarters .What is not in doubt is that there was an unprecedented degree of public opposition to it in the months leading up to it , , a wave of well – argued dissent – and some mob activity- that the authorities ought to have taken into consideration.
The writer and government agent Daniel Defoe was sent by the English parliament to act as a spy in Scotland in the run – up to the Union of the Parliaments . His role was to mingle widely , in disguise , and urge the Scots to back the proposal , which he genuinely thought would benefit their Country as well as his own . He was taken aback to discover the strength of feeling against the proposed merger , as witnessed here in Edinburgh
“ I had not been long in Edinburgh when I heard a great noise and looking out saw a terrible multitude coming up the High Street with a drum at the heads of them shouting and swearing and crying out – all Scotland would stand together – No Union ! – No Union ! I cannot say to you I had no apprehensions. particularly when a part of this mob fell upon a nd took gentleman who had discretion little enough to say something that displeased them just under my window . He defended himself bravely and called out lustily also for help to the Guard who being within hearing and ready drawn up in close order in the street , advanced , rescued the gentleman and took the person he was grappling with prisoner .
The city was by this time in a terrible fright . The Guards were insulted and stoned as they stood , the mob put out all the lights , nobody could stir in the streets and not a light be seen in a window for fear of stones “

The Bill was passed and the Union was created on the 1 May 1707 The danger to England from France a cross the Channel had been averted .
ColinM1
30th Jul 2018 12:47:08
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Hi Yodama Trust you got the four pager on the Union ! The Darien report is the root of the matter - interesting tale and relevant .Also not everyone realises that Daniel Defoe , author of Robinson Crusoe , was a an English Government spy who witnessed the Edinburgh riot . Get back if any questions !
ColinM1
29th Jul 2018 17:44:20
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Sunday Times reporting that plans to publish weekly briefings on no deal Brexit plans have been abandoned because will panic population. That’s the same no deal HMG’s manifesto said ‘was better than a bad deal’. Scale of duplicity in British public life right now is incredible
ColinM1
26th Jul 2018 17:51:56 (Last activity: 27th Jul 2018 15:23:21)
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Totally on the wrong track ! Biggest set of crooks are the ruling crowd in Westminster .No idea what the Union was about - cheats liars and ignorant of the basic history of the " Union " ! Begone ! The future now quite clear !
Response from CaroleAH made on 27th Jul 2018 10:15:27
Excellent response, Jorid! 🙂
Response from ColinM1 made on 27th Jul 2018 15:23:21
Ladies do accept my apologies if my strong opinions caused personal upset ! When your opinions and beliefs are undermined in such a two faced way it becomes a necessity to be be perhaps more voluble than normal ! I believe in democracy and a great believer in the devolved Scottish Parliament . The Brexit shambles has seen Mrs May and her right wing cronies treats both Parliaments in a totally dismissive manner paying the myopic and sectarian Ulster Unionists mega bucks to vote with them .The Union is supposedly a partnership of equals which it is clearly not the case . The Brexit Referendum has clearly been proven to have been illegal and dishonest . Sensibility must prevail ! Clearly from postings on this web page more than a few have no comprehension about politics north of the Border . The Scottish National Party is numerically the second largest party in the UK yet only stands in elections north of the Border ! It is a social democratic party and not comparable with the insular nationalism in some other countries ! It attracts all citizens who live there but have not necessarily been born there . As it so happened I could have pulled on the white of England had I been a better stand off in my rugby career of yesteryear ! Close family came from Yorkshire and Gloucestershire . The Brexit shambles has seen a sharp rise in support for independence and includes a large group entitled “English Scots for Yes “Am sure if Archie lived in God’s Country he and his family would be knocking at their door !
ColinM1
16th Jul 2018 17:13:46 (Last activity: 19th Jul 2018 14:11:30)
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Bye Bye Brexit - cheats and crooks exposed !

Fears are growing at Westminster that there is now no Brexit deal – not the Chequers plan, nor David Davis’s Canada-style trade deal, nor a no-deal scenario – that could command the backing of a majority of MPs.
Had the ERG amendments been pushed to the vote, it would have given the government a sense of the likely rebellion it could face from hardliners, if it brings a soft Brexit deal to the Commons in the autumn.
A senior Labour source expressed surprise the government had not postponed debate on the customs bill and another Brexit bill, the trade bill, when it announced planned parliamentary business at the end of last week, rather than face the risk of a series of embarrassing defeats.
Response from CaroleAH made on 19th Jul 2018 13:24:56
Well said, Lochinvar. The EU bullies are now having to re-group and come up with all kinds of diverse plans to scupper our chance of freedom. It has probably dawned on them, at last, that we mean to leave and unless they start to negotiate as adults instead of kindergarten tyrants we will just walk away.
Response from ColinM1 made on 19th Jul 2018 14:11:30
Oh dear CaroleAH , afraid the shoe is on the wrong foot . The Brexit camp is being manipulated and held to ransom by a small cohort of right wing idealogues none of whom is on the breadline. This is highly pertinent given the impending changes in EU tax- law deliberately aimed at cutting tax evasion and tax avoidance by the rich ! That is why so many of your like minded citizens are now supporting the holding of a proper Referendum .
ColinM1
22nd Jun 2018 17:14:31
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Afraid not ! Little Britain the Lichtenstein of north Europe !
ColinM1
18th May 2018 16:56:25
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Happy Independence Day to all of our Norwegian friends
They said you were too wee, too poor
That you would never survive on your own
204 years later
You look pretty rich to me
Best wishes to my old pal Thor in Aros

Trust we can follow your example !!
ColinM1
18th May 2018 12:22:45
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Now here is an interesting analysis of the British attitude to the loathsome Brexit ! The Office for National Statistics ( ONS ) The annual survey of well being points out , how, amidst the continuing gloom of the Brexit process , people south and west of the Border in England , Wales and Northern Ireland are becoming more unhappy . The UK's overall happiness rating has been pushed up thanks to the sunnier disposition of those living in Scotland . The ONS says "Scotland has shown improvements in average ratings of life satisfaction , worthwhile and happiness but there have been no overall changes in England , Wales or Northern Ireland. " My goodness me !
ColinM1
16th May 2018 17:43:35 (Last activity: 18th May 2018 09:15:59)
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Votes on EU Withdrawal Bill at Holyrood. Tory amendment defeated 30 - 95. Labour amendment accepted 93 -31. SNP motion carried 93-30. At last all the devolution parties unite behind @Scotgov to protect Scots Parliament. It’s Ruth Davidson who is isolated - not Nicola.
Response from ColinM1 made on 18th May 2018 07:03:51
" Wee minnows in a big pond" Clear that Lochinvar needs to get back on his steed and ride back to reality ! Strange how the Brit Nats get uptight when the rest of the " fish " in our pond decide that enough is enough ALL the other parties unite to give the Tartan Tories a well deserved kick in their breeks - but as you say " who cares " Typical !
Response from ColinM1 made on 18th May 2018 09:15:59
Now now Lochinvar dinnae twist the facts ! " Scotland voted in favour of the UK staying in the EU by 62% to 38% - with all 32 council areas backing Remain." Quite decisive and nothing to do with the Independence issue ! Who said that the term Brit Nats referred to a political party ?? It has become a generally used generic term referring to those opposed to Independence and continuance of the status quo !Scotland of course DID qualify for the World Cup and play in Group A with amongst others Ireland and Rumania . Good run out for the boys this season at Murrayfield when we over ran England with a degree of ease and not having to change the rules although wee Eddie would no doubt wish to have changed the Ref !
ColinM1
17th May 2018 09:31:05
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Great news to hear that the Scottish Parliament has overwhelmingly rejecting the EU Withdrawal Bill that the Westminster crowd were trying to enforce on the Country .The hapless Tories were left as the only Party to support it with the SNP, Labour , Lib Dems and Greens all against .
LesF
16th Feb 2018 12:32:35
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Brexit has certainly stirred up passions and to be honest, I'm taking an English view on the whole thing, sit back, tell a joke and have a good laugh.
Seriously, I hope the people that voted 'out' voted for the right reasons, and not just because you don't like Brussels etc.
I would have voted 'out', but two weeks before, I thought, this shit is getting real, so, started a reasonable in depth look at the pro's and con's and how many EU companies run, co own etc, things that we use on a day to day basis - power, transport, retail, pension funds etc etc. And it's not until you get to the nitty gritty you realise just how much damage this is going to cause.
Hey ho the deed is done, let's get on with it, but don't forget to hedge your bets, get dual nationality (Spain, Canada and Norway are good options).
GrahamP9
16th Dec 2017 10:02:17
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So phase one negotiations are complete and we all move on to phase 2. It looks like the transition period will be discussed in January 2018 and the trade talks will start at the end of March 2018.
The EU have published guidelines/wish list which should be read by all who have an interest in Brexit. It is 9 paragraphs over 4 pages so an easy read.
This is the link to it. http://consilium.europa.eu/media/32236/15-euco-art50-guidelines-en.pdf
The BBC have their own analysis here.
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-42367532

We know that Britains head negotiater David Davis wants a Canadian plus, plus, plus trade deal. I am looking forward to that being put down on paper by March.
viking
10th Jul 2017 10:08:33
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Yes it will be if the lads at Westminster can get their act together instead of the wrangling for political gain instead of working for the good of our country. Why should politicians try to make a name for themselves out of this situation.
We have tried to forget Blair and his disaster but - lo and behold he wishes to get back into the limelight. What a neck, he should still face a court and jury , paid in full out of his earnings as an after dinner speaker - crowing about how he had to engage Suddem Hussain !!! As a so called Christian, he should go to hell finally.
GrahamP9
18th May 2017 19:50:32
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I voted remain. I don't except the result and hope that Brexit will not happen. Yes I know that is very unlikely.
The negotiations start in June a few days after the election.
We now (think) we know that the negotiations will be in two phases.
1) The Divorce
2) Britains new relationship with the EU.

Has anyone thoughts on how long this will take and what will be on the agenda for phase 1)
I believe Mr Barnier from the EU has said
1) EU and UK citizens rights
2) Irish Border
3) Financial settlement.

There are many other things to discuss.
viking
17th Feb 2017 16:37:12 (Last activity: 19th Feb 2017 13:39:44)
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From the dates shown here it seems that since July everyone has got really fed up with both sides in this debate, and not bothered to either Remain or Remoan !
I noticed in the debating chamber of the Brussels spendthrift academy, there were two speakers who were urging some sort of reform of the EU ! [not too much so that our perks would dissapear ]
So who blanked out Cameron when he went to see those twerps and asked for just a little bit of reform - yes the same mob who had cotton wool in their ears. Now suddenly some of these other nations have come to realise that the EU can not continue with it's wasteful ways !!
Response from viking made on 19th Feb 2017 13:39:44
The Blair has an ego the size of ................... At one stage I really thought that he might just be impeached about the middle east debacle that he got us into, but no all seems so, so quiet on those points.But thinking about it, I suspect that if something were to be started, Mrs B and her chums [and Mr B ] from the same chambers, would come to the rescue. Guess what, who would be grasping those obnoxious fees ?? To save what is left of taxpayers money, perhaps it is best to let the sleeping dog lie !!
happyhacker
19th Aug 2016 07:38:04
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I don't know why people in their final years get so heated up. Let it all go by and enjoy yourselves!
DawnyR
24th Jun 2016 13:50:25 (Last activity: 20th Jul 2016 12:10:48)
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I live in Scotland where most people here want to stay in Europe but leave the UK. Not sure whats going to happen next
Response from MorrisandDoris made on 24th Jun 2016 15:20:45
We are probably going to dump you and that Krankie lookalike who think she's the Queen of Scots !
Response from DawnyR made on 24th Jun 2016 15:58:53
Will be clad to get away from the bigoted English, that's why I moved here
Response from celtwitch Original Poster made on 24th Jun 2016 16:04:25
The English, bigoted! Never, we are the nicest people, and modest too!
Response from MorrisandDoris made on 24th Jun 2016 16:15:44
You had one referendum and voted to stay we in England on the other hand we didn't get a vote to see if we wanted you,so all you Scots wanting to leave then vote out next time we don't care down here ,and you are the bigoted ones not us you always have been and it a shame because if you look back at your history you will find that we took you into the union when Scotland went bankrupt and you've moaned ever since about something or other .
Response from DawnyR made on 24th Jun 2016 16:23:29
As I said, I live in Scotland, I am not Scottish but English and ashamed of the way English football supporters are behaving. Yet you claim the English are the nicest people.
Response from celtwitch Original Poster made on 24th Jun 2016 18:30:55
They are, until provoked by thugs.
Response from JAMES58 made on 25th Jun 2016 16:11:55
To Morrisanddoris,,i,m scottish and your right we could moan and gripe for Britain,,,oops well if we were part of it,but if Nicola gets her way we won,t be,,,we need to stick together now more than ever.
Response from redskins made on 25th Jun 2016 17:38:01
Didn't Scotland have a referendum not long ago and stayed tied to the English apron
Response from Fruitcake13 made on 29th Jun 2016 22:32:31
To Morrisanddoris.....I was born in Scotland to a Scottish mother and an English father, I grew up in Scotland but currently live in England. I've also lived in various places throughout Scotland, England, the USA and Europe, and I find your views above on Scotland and the Scots rather offensive. Your use of the word 'we' (meaning presumably the English) strongly implies that all English people agree with you, you will find that they don't, thank goodness.
Response from MorrisandDoris made on 30th Jun 2016 21:40:38
First, most of us in England do not have problem with the Scots, it's Scots who have a problem with us .
Scotland voted to remain IN the Union at the last referendum because you were afraid to go it alone without English subsidies.
Now you want another referendum on independence but with the cushion of the EU to subsidies you instead of England.
So vote OUT in the referendum if you are brave enough, for us here in England most of us don't really care, it's your choice just go for it !
And as for you finding my views offensive, some people just can't handle the truth!

Interesting you LIVE in England though !
Response from MorrisandDoris made on 1st Jul 2016 09:49:20
Yes !
Response from MorrisandDoris made on 1st Jul 2016 13:50:04
Dollie where are you!
Response from Fruitcake13 made on 18th Jul 2016 21:52:37
Morrisand Doris, I live in England because my husband served his country for 25 years as an RAF Officer and was based in England, where he is still based, and doing the same job but as a civilian now, and my daughter and two grandchildren live here in England too. I already said that I'm half English and half Scottish, so why do you assume that I'm a Scot and talk to me as though I'm fully Scottish and have any say in what the Scots want?

I voted 'Remain' in the Brexit referendum because that was my personal choice. Most Scottish people voted 'Remain' because Scotland has historically always had a very healthy relationship with Europe and particularly with the French.

I don't have any problems with English people at all, only rude, anti-Scottish people who consider their view to be 'the truth' when in fact it's only a 'a view'.
Response from elkiton made on 20th Jul 2016 12:10:48
I was a bit sad to see NS's use of the olive branch that TM held out do have full discussions with her over Scotland's position, and try and turn it into "I have the veto" statement, which I can only assume was attempted points scoring for propaganda purposes........ that sort of thing makes her look worse than our Boris!

Much the same as it was never our intent to see the EU destroyed, (although Juncer is doing his best from the Polish president's reaction to his threats), we hope to see Scotland amicably taking the path the Scots choose, be it aligned with us or aligned with Europe.

If that means another referendum so be it, but that will be exactly what NS wants, whether she gets a "Remain and a Break with the UK" vote, I would not like to predict !
elkiton
9th Jul 2016 10:10:47 (Last activity: 20th Jul 2016 12:00:51)
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Well, The Swiss are courting the UK to join their new F4 financial international partnership alongside Singapore and Hong Kong to move around the EU on the International stage as they are frustrated that Brussels is insisting they take a quota of refugees to get trading terms. The Swiss refused,on the basis of a referendum saying NO... China wants to negotiate direct with us, and we have Australia saying they will willingly trade with UK as does the USA.

Juncer has really frightened the smaller EU countries with his threats against leavers and this has caused a Right Wing backlash that could unzip the EU (not what we wanted really) but his "Superstate" announcement with all control in Brussels was a severe tactical error and his undong.

Merkel realises the German car market needs us and is under pressure to give us exactly the same trading terms as we have now, and this will ensure her popularity and eventually depose Juncer and lead to a more democratic era for the remainder of the EU.

So, we win in as much as we will have our freedom and still trade both inside and outside the EU, London will become an even more important financial centre.

Interestingly I just found out that my children (who are so bitter that I voted Leave) voted to Remain because being socialists they believed only the EU lawmakers could control the Tory Government from repealing any of the "gains" made in favour of the "Workers" and against the "ruling classes"...... What a dozy, parochial reason for voting Remain, I tried to explain that repealing labour laws would cause strikes, and that was the last thing we ex-business people wanted to cause in the coming years of going forward......wasting my breath.

They (my family) would be more useful trying to sort out their Labour Party and give us a decent opposition to control potential Govt excesses, not voting Remain. No foresight, no understanding of strategy and long term gains, looks like 40 years of EU indoctrination has left a generation bereft of any ability to look beyond their latest "selfie" !
Response from elkiton made on 20th Jul 2016 12:00:51
HI Lionel, Interesting comment ! We knew nothing really about our ancestry, Dad had a big nose and always said the name was El Kin but we never believed the (silly old) Sod,; we though Mother's Cornish ancestry anecdotes where great-great-black-sheep etc was the bastard son of Francis Drake!

Until, one day in the 80's I received an mail from a Shalom Elkin in Israel welcoming me back to the tribe and asking if I was still practicing my religion !
Shalom was very old and decided to seek out all tribe members before he died, which catastrophically happened before he was able to fully document his research, his son had some of the data but 90% if his work was I believe lost.

One of our American cousins had paid de Bretts to do research, and not found the info on my Dad's two brothers that died in the trenches of the first World War.....and as I had this info we swapped the data from free.

Turns out in 17 xx the family of Romanian / Polish Jews emigrated from some pogrom or other to England as barge builders, then worked their way down the rivers/canals over a period of centuries till they resided in London.

As one of my customers once said to me..."Finishing up as a salesman was a good job for the Bastard son of a Pirate and a Jewish Grandfather, I will make sure to count my fingers from now on when we shake hands !"
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be accurate (where they state facts); be genuinely held (where they state opinions); and comply with applicable law in the UK and in any country from which they are posted.

Contributions must not:

contain any material which is defamatory of any person; or contain any material which is obscene, offensive, hateful or inflammatory; or promote sexually explicit material; or promote violence; promote discrimination based on race, sex, religion, nationality, disability, sexual orientation or age; or infringe any copyright, database right or trade mark of any other person; or be likely to deceive any person; or be made in breach of any legal duty owed to a third party, such as a contractual duty or a duty of confidence; or promote any illegal activity; or be threatening, abuse or invade another’s privacy, or cause annoyance, inconvenience or needless anxiety; or be likely to harass, upset, embarrass, alarm or annoy any other person; or be used to impersonate any person, or to misrepresent your identity or affiliation with any person; or give the impression that they emanate from us, if this is not the case; or advocate, promote or assist any unlawful act such as (by way of example only) copyright infringement or computer misuse.

Nurturing a safe environment

Our Silversurfers community is designed to foster friendships, based on trust, honesty, integrity and loyalty and is underpinned by these values.

We don't tolerate swearing, and reserve the right to remove any posts which we feel may offend others... let's keep it friendly!